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What's up, Grinders? >> Hey, wait a minute. Wrong channel. Today, we got something special for you. Yesterday, or the day before yesterday, I put a clip out and I was talking about should you speak first or should you wait first before you speak when learning another language. And then I went through my feelings on it and then what I did. But one of the people that I mentioned there was Evil Deer. Now, evil deer Richard has been doing 1,000 hours or he passed the 1,000 hour 
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mark of the ALG method learning Spanish. And I've been watching this since he started and he has been following it to a tea to the system that they say that you shouldn't be speaking at all just getting input input input based on Marvin Brown's theories and then people um reference crashen as well. And then you see here in Thailand, this ALG system that many people talk about and I can see why it was put together and Marvin Brown, the guy who put this 
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course together, is a genius. He's absolutely brilliant, but I don't know if I fully agree with all of the methodology. So, I mentioned in my clip there that it was fascinating hearing the 1,000 hour mark. La de Martin Crack de Martin Crack is >> of evil deer's Spanish both looking at how he speaks the language and and how whether or not these sounds of Spanish 
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have gotten into his muscles. Uh ver ver I think verde. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. >> Mhm. But I also mentioned in the last clip that for me one of the reasons why I do speak from the beginning is because I think that from very young with very different languages that I spoke and 
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thanks to my grandfather um I got this auditory education auditory I guess intelligence that allowed me to hear sounds agnostically and so when I learn a language I'm not just using comparing to the sounds in my mother tongue. So, Australian English, as you can hear, I'm able to sort of tweak and morph and listen out for things and then I'll do everything I can to try and shift my mouth and then use a native speaker's ears as almost the mirror. Now, 
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sometimes they don't know how to coach. That's okay. I know how to tweak my mouth and then I'll keep doing things until it starts to feel more and more natural for them. So, what I thought would be interesting is not only am I going to do that listening to evil deers going to do that listening to evil deers Spanish ti ti uh 
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do do uh do not to it's brothers. I forgot what brothers is. >> But I'm also going to and and I don't want this to be a super super long clip, but I'm going to look at how if I were learning the way he was learning, but not with the ALG method. How would I approach this? What things would I be looking out for? Both in the native looking out for? Both in the native speakers 
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and then in my own voice. So, what we're going to do is we're going to look at the native Spanish and the things that I would notice and then we're going to analyze Evil Deers uh native English. What's up, Grinders? Welcome back to the channel. I hope you're ready for the channel. I hope you're ready for the 1,000hour dreaming Spanish update. We are up to video 21 in this series. Check this out. >> And so here I've set up this in Audition. This is what I use when I do 
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my speech analyses, especially for Thai and Chinese and stuff where you can really look at the way that the mouth is used. Oh, by the way, yesterday I saw evil deer jumping here at crackinglanguage.com and looking to see what I had for Chinese. what you see here at crackinglanguage.com. I wanted to always build the ultimate tools that I would use for learning language and phenology and and just articulation and stuff. So, all of this stuff is free. They're tools that I've built. This one, you can see this is the Chun system for Chinese. Now, this is old Chinese that 
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leads into Cantonese. Um but if you noticed yesterday, this is the same principle on the Sanskrit system which we use for Thai which is a GPS system for the human mouth from the back of the mouth. So all the way to the front. So po um oh I said po it's actually and then f which if you say it backwards is where we get the hupin for Mandarin Chinese they just 
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basically reciting the Sanskrit abuga back to front u which is pretty wild but um Chinese dictionaries used to be uh laid out in this schema um and you've got the yinyang tones and that see in these things. But basically, long story short, all tonal languages from this part of the world kind of run on the same engine. I'm not saying the same tones, but the same engine. And all of those can be mapped to this GPS of the human mouth, which is the Sanskrit uh 
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Abu Gita. And I've built the tools to sort of unify them all here. So, you can use all these for free, and you don't even have to log in. You can just sort of jump up and use the tools. There is a login section, but it's still in beta. Um, if you want to use it, you can, um, try and use it with OpenAI keys and stuff. I'm working on doing the proper version that you can actually come in and I'll have Chinese programs and Thai programs and whatnot. But all this stuff you can just use for free. Knock yourself out. Those Matt versus Japan fans and Dogen fans. I've built out a 
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full Japanese pitch accent analyzer using some of the key libraries that some of the top dictionaries use in Japan. So you can see here hair bun or daka naka daka they're all there. So I've built all of these tools up actually for my daughter but basically anyone can come in and use them just like you would normally use with a normal exercise book but you can use all the tools here. And I've even got things like you know you have those books where you handwriting practice for writing characters. And so I've built it in here but you can even practice your cursive 
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writing. And I've got these special templates that will help get the native angles and proportions to your characters. So, right now, no need to log in, but that will be coming soon, but feel free to knock yourself out with those tools. But let's get back to Evil Deer. Okay, so what I want to do is first of all look at Evil Deer's native English because this is going to give us a baseline of what we're looking to change. Um because there are some interesting things that happens when Evil Deer speaks English just talking to the camera. It's one thing when he's 
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speaking English, saying things back, responding to the Spanish speakers, some of the things in English change. And then when he's speaking Spanish, some of the things from English come in and superimpose as well as stuff from um Espiranto, which is fascinating. So let's jump in. So before I start this too, apologies because right now with Audition going, the video OBS going, my processor is tanking. So there might be a bit of jilted stuff going on here, funky stuff. 
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>> Say it again and again because I do hear that it sounds wrong. >> Okay, so I'm just picking random specimens, but I want to show you what happens in our mouths as Aussies. Okay, could you hear that there? Let's listen to that. >> Say it again and again because I do hear that it sounds >> sounds sounds. So in many other versions of English, you've got s. But in Australia, we have this ow. And 
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the thing about the Australian accent is that our vowels have these really weird glides, especially with what would be diff thongs, but they turn into trip thongs because they're three sounds. So for example, al but depending on where you are and what level of society is speaking, you might I guess they call a really bogen accent. They will draw that middle bit out. So it goes from to that middle bit out. So it goes from to a 
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ow. Okay. So with all Australians, you're going to hear some combination of that and it might change depending on where they on who they speak with. So have a listen to this in Evil Deer when he speaks. But listen to that because that starts to wreak havoc when you're learning other languages, especially if you don't realize it. >> Say it again and again because I do hear that it sounds. So sounds sounds it's it's still a dip thong. It's not too much of an in there sounds, but it's still very forward. 
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It's not like an owl which you would have in Spanish um this owl further have in Spanish um this owl further back. >> Wrong. So that part is true. >> Now I notice also with uh evil dear that part I now you'll hear that but for some with with the way that um wherever he grew up the a sound so that that I guess mine's more middle that. His is a little more forward. So it's that that that that part that part. Have a listen. 
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>> It sounds wrong. So that part is >> that part that part. It's very forward. Um there might be some other specimens. I'm just picking random ones out. But these are things that we need to be aware of as Aussie native English speakers because they're the things that are going to color whatever language it is that we're learning. is true but intonation >> is true now. Okay, this was at the end but this is another thing that happens with Australians. We will go up at the end. It's true. It's true. And I did 
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that and then I went to the shops and I got in the car. Uh uh and you hear this up going up at the end. Um you'll hear that a lot and again especially with tonal languages. I haven't heard it happening on evild Chinese when I've when I've heard it which is which is good. that I see with a lot of learners of tonal languages from Australia, it's really tough to get that paradigm of going up at the end out of speaking another language. And when it's done with tonal languages, it just totally reaps havoc on the tones 
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>> nation patterns. I highly doubt >> doubt doubt instead of doubt doubt doubt. My doubt is in the middle to the back, but his is doubt doubt doubt doubt. But these are all things that I'd be hyper aware of when I'm listening then to a native speaker of a new language I'm learning or even an old language I've learned. >> And when I actually watched that clip >> watched watched watched. So America 
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would say watched watched watched. watched. I would say watched a or a they're very different. Um, so for me, if I knew that was my or like a sound, I would be aware to hear what the target languages sort of open O would be because I'd know that I'd have to change. It probably won't be like mine >> of me um speaking Spanish with the 
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native. I actually heard my own native. I actually heard my own mistakes. This is another thing I hear on Evil Deers's uh English. Native native native native. Um, I guess sometime I'm about half half where he would, but Evil Deer will often bring an I or or an E down to an uh Let's see if we can hear anymore. >> I I saw Oh man, why don't you say that? That's not actually correct. You should 
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say it like this way. So this this way this way. So >> this way. Did you hear that? The I This way. I would say this way. This way. This way. This way. this way. So again, subconsciously, if there's an eye, I'd be very And I knew that I did that with my eyes. I turned my eyes more this way, this way. I don't know if there's any kiwi in there, but um because Kiwis turn their eyes to I would be aware of that and making sure that in 
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a language and it is an it. >> Say it like this way. So I do have some intuitive understanding. intuitive intuitive understanding. intuitive intuitive >> of how the language actually does sound >> of how the language actually does sound but >> sound sound. So again, it's this very frontal a and sound sound. Um be aware of those very a sounds. >> I'm not speaking to the level that's mentioned in level five and this was for 
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600 hours. Now if we go to level six >> okay six. So are you a kiwi? Have you had any It's This to of the eye is really interesting. Um maybe it's where where you grew up. I'm not sure. Okay. So, we've got a baseline of Evod's English. It's going to get even more interesting then when we get the Spanish. So, let's listen to some native Spanish speakers and then see 
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what happens to the way that he hears it and then the way that he repeats the sound because there's some really fascinating stuff that goes on with the Spanish speakers which I think um is interesting and maybe is a good case for ALG. Okay, so now we're going to start with some Spanish. Now, I apologize there. My video processor is tanking. So sometimes the video isn't catching up sometimes the video isn't catching up because in Audition and then my recording and everything crazy stuff is happening. But 
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just listen. This is the native I think Argentinian Spanish speaker. Spanish speaker. >> Perfecto. >> Perfecto. Now I can hear straight away when he's speaking Spanish. He's over in annunciating and I think that's because he's asked, Evil is asked to start very easy. So, let's listen to how he speaks. how he speaks. >> Okay. >> Actually, now let me zoom in here. I better explain this. By the way, this is what we call a spectrogram. So, this is 
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Adobe Audition. Here's the normal waveforms you'd be used to, but this is almost that's a voice print. So, where you see the more yellow it is, that's the the vocal tracks vibrating. That's down really low. And you can even see the notes here. There's a I can click over so you can see notes, but basically this is the lowest part of your voice and this is the highest part of your voice. So where it's really yellow, it means the voice is engaged, activated, and the lower it is, the lower your voice. The higher it is, the higher your voice. So you can actually see here really well when the voice is activated, 
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deactivated, when it tapers off, all of these things. And you might think that this is crazy going into this level of detail, but honestly, once you do that, you can actually start to selforrect. You pull up a native speaker, you pull up your own voice print, and you think, "Oh," and you know exactly where to pinpoint things to get your muscles moving or turning off or glottle stops and all of that. You can just see it clear as day here. So, let's have a clear as day here. So, let's have a listen. listen. >> Okay. 
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>> Okay. I didn't even get a second in. Did you hear that? So, what happens in Spanish? The S The S will you get this breathing cuz a sibilent sibilent are these sie sounds. They have this puff of air. >> If you have your throat closed, you can't pronounce an S. it you can't 
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breathe. So estto by nature ses have this breath this aspiration and what's happened is this aspiration in Spanish and it happened in Chinese too. This is actually where the chunk came from. So the um originally Chinese didn't have tones um they had these endings and this s became like an h first and that's what became the chong in Chinese. So estoy becomes etoy. 
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So sometimes you'll hear bits of this, sometimes you'll just hear the s totally dropped out and just like this sound. Have a listen. He So he says, >> see, it's almost like a lisp. I wonder if evil deer will pick that up will will have picked it up in all of his listening and whether it will be replicated or will his English or espiranto s survive to live another day in his Spanish. 
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So in listen to the G. It's very soft. >> Now you can tell here he's being very very careful to annunciate everything. It sounds it's a native accent but it's overunciated. It is as if I'm speaking like this in English. That's a native Australian accent, but we don't really 
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speak like that. >> Okay, this is fascinating. Have a look at this. >> Look at where he pronounced his D from >> Look at where he pronounced his D from the. Now, that could happen. But in Spanish, your D is more like this. The th in the word the in English. So the there. And you will see it the tongue coming up to the teeth there. But what he's doing there and maybe he's overcompensating because evil 
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deer he knows he's a native English speaker and he's trying to pronounce it as a as a very clear D. Still still Spanish but in normal speech that would be and sometimes the S will turn into an H. Have a listen. It's very very overp pronounced. 
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>> Now you can see the S is getting >> Now you can see the S is getting lighter. >> Now this is one thing I would notice. Have a listen to this. If you're a native English speaker, an evil deer, uh, you can do it. Say the word pill lip. Pill, lip. If you're a native English speaker, you'll notice that the L in pill, pill, your hung comes behind the teeth and kind of rolls up. Lip the 
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if it's initial L, your is poking out of your teeth. Pill lip. Iodia, you're a native English speaker in Australia. I could almost guarantee if subconsciously, don't try and just prove it wrong. Just speak normally and get your mouth moving normally. Peel, peel, peel, peel, peel, peel, peel, peel. Stop. Where's your tongue? It's behind the teeth. Lip, lip, lip, lip, lip, lip. Where's your tongue? It's out inside the teeth. But listen to the Spanish L. This is these are one of the things that I'll always try and pick up on in whatever language I'm learning 
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is where the L's and the Rs coming from. is where the L's and the Rs coming from. L. And I can hear it is not the same as my pill L pill. You can hear his got this lateral tongue and it's it's it's almost flat against his teeth. L If you speak Russian, you you know, you've got this like um the the light L. It's closer to that. Um but it's not like the L that we have in English, 
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especially in Australia. You can see his tongue. >> That's a good baseline, but I'm feeling like he's really overannunciating his Spanish. Now, there's another guy who's a native speaker that they go back and forth. Let's have a listen to him. Have a listen to his Spanish, even if you're not a Spanish speaker, and and see if you can hear any difference. 
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So he still pronounces his S's and and everything very clearly. >> Okay. Now, did you hear that? D. It was more of this the with a dental T H with a voice there. Very soft. And again, the T in Amistad is a bit different, too, because it's this medial T. It's not an initial T, which changes in Spanish for for native speakers. 
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>> Could and you could hear the tongue at the end in the D at the and his tongue came up to this dental D. It wasn't D. It was the amigos. >> Okay. So, he's just repeated it there, but you can hear his accent is is a little more natural rhythms to the first 
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one. I'm sure as the first guy gets into normal speaking, he will become more normal as well. Yeah. what he says is funny. Um, but have a listen to this is the first guy again. >> Okay. Yeah. >> But you can hear the teeth. Um, his tongue is starting to move closer to the teeth now. Now, let's listen to the second guy. 
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>> Okay, listen to that. This is starting to get very more natural compared to the first sentence, >> especially at the end. Now, I don't know if Evil even knows how to spell that last word and but you can see that that D almost just dropped out. your tongue makes a reference to it to the teeth and reference to it to the teeth and so your tongue's on the on the teeth and by the time it gets to the last D it's just 
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gone. If he's looking at the spelling and a lot of like English speakers and they'll be pronouncing this hard D. But you can see that as you get faster and faster your tongue almost takes off and it's just sort of tickling the mouth but doesn't quite make it there. Um Okay. So, you can you can see that that's lost. Um, if I were learning 
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Spanish and I'd be tuned into that. This is why I want to actually read it as well because I'd start to be able to mapping be able to map out if it's an initial, if it's medial, if it's at the end, when are things lost. Um, especially with something like Spanish or Italian, I'd want to start building up those structures because then that would help me and subconsciously kick in later as I'm speaking. I might know a word, but I know that pattern and so it would already be in my muscles. So, let's jump 
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ahead now. So, we've heard Evil Deer's English. We've heard these two guys speaking Spanish. Let's listen quickly now to Evil Deer speaking Spanish. >> Shamo. Evil deer. >> Okay. So shamo as soon as you hear that you know it's Argentinian Argentinian Spanish this turns you some people say eda in some versions of Spanish or isa in Argentina uh in Uroay. So shamo is yamo I am called inal in 
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shamo is yamo I am called inal in Italian >> shamo evil deer. Now you can see evil deer. He's got this very English Aussie D. And you can can you hear this tick on it? D. By the way, if a D in say Vietnamese or Chinese or or Thai, D actually came from an N. D. You don't hear that tick. But in Australian English, we'll say D. Spanish D is different. The the the It's more like a th in the word the. So, but he says evil deer. Maybe that's cuz he's 
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saying his name in an Aussie accent. >> Mhm. Uh uh. Again, even his uh if it were me, even all those little subconscious words, I'd be trying to get the sounds of the native speaker into it. So, when you're when we're coaching like um presentation workshops in say Thai or whatever, uh we would call them word whiskers. And Thai has their own word or in Chinese or Indonesian in in 
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Australia we have ah you know like these kinds of words learn those in your target language and throw them in so they become your filler words. >> Uh sure sure. Now the O isn't fully Aussie but you can tell that it's it's heavily influenced from uh a from the Aussie O. Not a real real Spanish O. Okay, Jo, I suspect having just briefly dabbled 
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with espiranto um that the standard non-conjugated s at the end of verbs has jumped in here. Maybe you've heard do you want to go? Um and then you're adding that on. So maybe you haven't learned those conjugations yet. I suspect not because you've been doing alg but that if you had have been doing the structures you wouldn't have made that mistake I'm sure I want to uh instead of which 
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I and then it's like syntax error because is you want because is you want >> uh >> okay now notice the h there in it should be hugar the h was an Aussie H and G was pretty much an Aussie G. Um the G in Spanish is a lot softer. Her and now again I'm not a native Spanish speaker. Um I've lived with Spanish around me for years. Um but I'm 
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not a native Spanish speaker, but you know the sounds are in me and they're in a fairly early ageish in my teens. Um so you get to feel them. But the this hug um it's softer. Um it's not an H like we have softer. Um it's not an H like we have >> that's okay. So that's again kis but I think that's coming from that's coming from >> espiranto. >> espiranto. >> Uh 
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hugar. Can you say that? G. It's really It's a really hard G. >> Okay. Again, I heard the in there. That was awesome. >> Um, but again, kudos to Iodia because he's just been doing this from absorbing the language and hasn't gone through any of these charts. So, yeah, he's pulling out the words that he knows and this is a thousand hours actually starting to speak for the first time. It's almost 
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like hatching out of the egg. Um, so >> there you go. >> Okay. He said contiggo. Listen to the difference between the t and the g from the native speaker and the t and the g in umgo from evil. >> Contigo. >> Okay. Actually, what I'm going to do is really blow that up. Um, let's have a really blow that up. Um, let's have a look. 
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Let him and you can see it's actually almost it's an unaspirated. Okay, your tongue's at the back is kind of making it to the G but not quite. Now listen to evil the airleigle. You can hear a really hard G there. So I'm sure you might have seen this word 
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spelt knows it's a G, but it's actually that it's soft. Just with a few sounds, a few sentences, you see how long this can take. But just with a few little tweaks, you can have a night and day change to the way that you speak the language. It's it's muscle training. Maybe we'll do just one more. >> Muchos. Gracias. Okay, that's >> Muchos. Gracias. Okay, that's interesting. interesting. Gracias. Muchos. Gracias. Okay. I suspect maybe he's heard Italian before. 
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Graatier because I don't think that in in um Espiranto. I think the word for thank you is more from a Germanic root. Something like Dunko or something. Um Something like Dunko or something. Um but gracias which is and gracias. Gracias. Gracias. Much gracias. But you can hear the hard G again. >> And not only can you hear the hard G, have a look at that voice. Uh, grat. 
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>> Can you see this portion here? His voice fully fully just stops. He's got a glottle stop there. So, gracia almost like the Z in in Italian, but it's not that in Spanish. Gracias. Okay, gracias. Gracias. But you will see, you won't see this big gap in a native speaker saying thank you in Spanish. Um, and so having to wrap this up because it's gone on for a long time now. 
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There is value to having this um auditory intelligence, understanding how sounds work, how the muscles in your mouth work, being able to hear sounds outside of the baseline of your mother tongue and then reproduce it. Tools like this, this is Adobe Audition. Um there's prat um uh it's a Dutch word, but linguist use it. It's a free version and I think there are other tools out there that you can use that are open source um for doing these spectral prints. 
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But once you start to understand it, it's really really good. You can train your muscles. It's like having a mirror there. And then once you do it, you get a real native speaker then to use their ears as the mirror again. And as you go back and forth and they'll suggest something, maybe they don't know how to actually coach you. They just think you sound like a foreigner, you sound like a ringu. If it's Spanish or if you're in Chinese. Um, but you just do it until you stop getting those la oro kind of looks and 
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people just speak to you normally. I think you probably get less of those looks in western languages because you get people from all over speaking them, but especially in Asian languages. If you're just a little bit off, they'll let you know once you be on that beginner stage. So anyway, I hope this has been interesting. I hope you don't mind. Evil, I just hit you up on Discord just to check if this was okay. But it'd be really cool to do something together where we sort of sit and go back and forth there. Maybe I can get you pronouncing some stuff in Thai and other languages as well, not just Chinese. Um, 
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but getting that full command of your mouth and but even more importantly hearing where your baseline is and what those things are in your mother tongue that you know are going to color and influence whatever the target language is. And being able to sort of find that delta and and and shift it for me is a superpower in learning language. I hope you enjoyed it. If you're learning Thai, get a copy of Cracking Thai Fundamentals. I don't have sponsors here. Um, I would if I have ones that I really believe in, but other than that, 
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if you are learning Tai, get a copy of Cracking Thai Fundamentals and come to jacademy.com as well if you want the the courses in Thai. Soon they'll be ported over to the new system with all of the interactive tools in Cracking Language, but for the time being, just go to jacademy.com. I'm Stuart JRaj. I'll see you on the other