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by now you've probably heard about honey by now you've probably heard about honey by now you've probably heard about honey you know the browser extension that you know the browser extension that you know the browser extension that saves you money do you have honey saves you money do you have honey saves you money do you have honey installed what's honey oh no no no honey installed what's honey oh no no no honey installed what's honey oh no no no honey honey is a free browser extension free honey is a free browser extension free honey is a free browser extension free browser extension free browser extension browser extension free browser extension browser extension free browser extension free browser extension that free browser extension that free browser extension that automatically applies coupon codes when automatically applies coupon codes when automatically applies coupon codes when you check out online free money you check out online free money you check out online free money basically it's literally free money it basically it's literally free money it basically it's literally free money it doesn't make sense to not be using this doesn't make sense to not be using this doesn't make sense to not be using this so what's the cat there is no kid join so what's the cat there is no kid join so what's the cat there is no kid join honey join honey join honey honey honey honey join honey join honey honey honey honey join honey join honey honey honey honey honey honeyone honey honey honey honey honey honeyone honey honey honey honey honey honeyone honey honey honey honey honey hone honey honey honey honey 
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honey honey hone honey honey honey honey honey honey hone honey honey honey honey Jo Jo Jo Honey yeah I hate to break it to you but Honey yeah I hate to break it to you but Honey yeah I hate to break it to you but your favorite influencers sold you a lie your favorite influencers sold you a lie your favorite influencers sold you a lie honey is a scam and the majority of honey is a scam and the majority of honey is a scam and the majority of claims promoted by those influencers claims promoted by those influencers claims promoted by those influencers aren't even remotely true but it gets aren't even remotely true but it gets aren't even remotely true but it gets worse honey hasn't just been scamming worse honey hasn't just been scamming worse honey hasn't just been scamming you the consumer they've also been you the consumer they've also been you the consumer they've also been stealing money from influencers stealing money from influencers stealing money from influencers including the very ones they paid to including the very ones they paid to including the very ones they paid to promote their product and I'm not just promote their product and I'm not just promote their product and I'm not just talking about a few bucks here I believe talking about a few bucks here I believe talking about a few bucks here I believe the scam has likely cost content the scam has likely cost content the scam has likely cost content creators millions of dollars sound crazy creators millions of dollars sound crazy creators millions of dollars sound crazy well I didn't believe it at first either 
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well I didn't believe it at first either well I didn't believe it at first either until I experienced it myself firsthand until I experienced it myself firsthand until I experienced it myself firsthand in fact I'm confident this might just be in fact I'm confident this might just be in fact I'm confident this might just be the biggest influencer scam of all time the biggest influencer scam of all time the biggest influencer scam of all time which is insane considering honey is which is insane considering honey is which is insane considering honey is owned and run by PayPal who purchased owned and run by PayPal who purchased owned and run by PayPal who purchased this company for four billion this this company for four billion this this company for four billion this three-part series is the result of a three-part series is the result of a three-part series is the result of a multi-year investigation where I believe multi-year investigation where I believe multi-year investigation where I believe I've uncovered signs of advertising I've uncovered signs of advertising I've uncovered signs of advertising fraud affiliate fraud the illegal fraud affiliate fraud the illegal fraud affiliate fraud the illegal collection of personal data deception collection of personal data deception collection of personal data deception lies coercion extortion the list goes on lies coercion extortion the list goes on lies coercion extortion the list goes on I've reviewed hundreds of documents 
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I've reviewed hundreds of documents I've reviewed hundreds of documents adverts sponsorships I've reviewed adverts sponsorships I've reviewed adverts sponsorships I've reviewed emails between honey and Merchants emails between honey and Merchants emails between honey and Merchants interviewed victims believe me this runs interviewed victims believe me this runs interviewed victims believe me this runs deep now I want to be clear the views deep now I want to be clear the views deep now I want to be clear the views allegations and conclusions expressed in allegations and conclusions expressed in allegations and conclusions expressed in the series are my opinions based on the series are my opinions based on the series are my opinions based on evidence I have gathered which will be evidence I have gathered which will be evidence I have gathered which will be shared throughout with that said ladies shared throughout with that said ladies shared throughout with that said ladies and gentlemen this is the Honey Trap [Music] 
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now I know what you're thinking it's a now I know what you're thinking it's a now I know what you're thinking it's a free browser extension how bad could it free browser extension how bad could it free browser extension how bad could it be well trust me it's far more Sinister be well trust me it's far more Sinister be well trust me it's far more Sinister than you might think you know what they than you might think you know what they than you might think you know what they say if a product's free it's likely say if a product's free it's likely say if a product's free it's likely you're the product and as you'll find you're the product and as you'll find you're the product and as you'll find out later in this investigation that out later in this investigation that out later in this investigation that remains true for payal honey now like remains true for payal honey now like remains true for payal honey now like most people I too fell for the lies I most people I too fell for the lies I most people I too fell for the lies I mean what's not to love about a free mean what's not to love about a free mean what's not to love about a free browser extension that saves you money browser extension that saves you money browser extension that saves you money it's a compelling product and with the it's a compelling product and with the it's a compelling product and with the endorsement from what feels like every endorsement from what feels like every endorsement from what feels like every single popular influencer on YouTube single popular influencer on YouTube single popular influencer on YouTube it's no wonder millions of people it's no wonder millions of people it's no wonder millions of people downloaded it ironically the very 
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downloaded it ironically the very downloaded it ironically the very influencers promoting honey seemingly influencers promoting honey seemingly influencers promoting honey seemingly had no idea the company was quietly had no idea the company was quietly had no idea the company was quietly picking money out of their very own picking money out of their very own picking money out of their very own Pockets well at least one of them Pockets well at least one of them Pockets well at least one of them realized but we'll get to that later so realized but we'll get to that later so realized but we'll get to that later so let me show you how Honey's been let me show you how Honey's been let me show you how Honey's been stealing money from influencers so let's stealing money from influencers so let's stealing money from influencers so let's say you're watching a video on YouTube say you're watching a video on YouTube say you're watching a video on YouTube if you're into Tech like me maybe you're if you're into Tech like me maybe you're if you're into Tech like me maybe you're watching a lonus tich tips video lus watching a lonus tich tips video lus watching a lonus tich tips video lus tells you about this free browser tells you about this free browser tells you about this free browser extension that saves you money online extension that saves you money online extension that saves you money online you install it in two clicks and boom you install it in two clicks and boom you install it in two clicks and boom you have honey perfect timing because it you have honey perfect timing because it you have honey perfect timing because it just so happens you're looking to buy a 
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just so happens you're looking to buy a just so happens you're looking to buy a new CPU for your computer you come new CPU for your computer you come new CPU for your computer you come across another Linus Tech tips video and across another Linus Tech tips video and across another Linus Tech tips video and after watching you're convinced you after watching you're convinced you after watching you're convinced you should buy the one recommended in this should buy the one recommended in this should buy the one recommended in this video so you scroll down and find video so you scroll down and find video so you scroll down and find Linus's affiliate link to that product Linus's affiliate link to that product Linus's affiliate link to that product now for those of you who don't know when now for those of you who don't know when now for those of you who don't know when you click an affiliate link and buy you click an affiliate link and buy you click an affiliate link and buy something The influencer Who promoted something The influencer Who promoted something The influencer Who promoted the product earns a commission for the product earns a commission for the product earns a commission for referring you to that store so you add referring you to that store so you add referring you to that store so you add the product to your cart get to the the product to your cart get to the the product to your cart get to the checkout page and hello honey says they checkout page and hello honey says they checkout page and hello honey says they found you1 coupon codes sweet you click found you1 coupon codes sweet you click found you1 coupon codes sweet you click apply discounts and honey gets to work 
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apply discounts and honey gets to work apply discounts and honey gets to work but unfortunately none of the coupon but unfortunately none of the coupon but unfortunately none of the coupon codes work doesn't matter though because codes work doesn't matter though because codes work doesn't matter though because as honey has promised us for years that as honey has promised us for years that as honey has promised us for years that means we know we've got the best deal so means we know we've got the best deal so means we know we've got the best deal so you complete your purchase you're happy you complete your purchase you're happy you complete your purchase you're happy your new CPUs on the way lonus is happy your new CPUs on the way lonus is happy your new CPUs on the way lonus is happy he's getting his commission everyone's he's getting his commission everyone's he's getting his commission everyone's happy right well let's quickly rewind happy right well let's quickly rewind happy right well let's quickly rewind and see what was happening behind the and see what was happening behind the and see what was happening behind the scenes you see after clicking Linus's scenes you see after clicking Linus's scenes you see after clicking Linus's affiliate link you'll notice in the Eur affiliate link you'll notice in the Eur affiliate link you'll notice in the Eur L there's a tracking tag labeled short L there's a tracking tag labeled short L there's a tracking tag labeled short circuit that's a reference to one of circuit that's a reference to one of circuit that's a reference to one of Linus's YouTube channels and this 
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Linus's YouTube channels and this Linus's YouTube channels and this tracking tag is how new knows who to pay tracking tag is how new knows who to pay tracking tag is how new knows who to pay a commission to we can also see that a commission to we can also see that a commission to we can also see that this tracking tag has been saved on my this tracking tag has been saved on my this tracking tag has been saved on my browser in the form of a cookie that browser in the form of a cookie that browser in the form of a cookie that will expire in 30 days that way if we will expire in 30 days that way if we will expire in 30 days that way if we only decide to complete the purchase a only decide to complete the purchase a only decide to complete the purchase a few days later lonus will still be few days later lonus will still be few days later lonus will still be credited the sale it's kind of like when credited the sale it's kind of like when credited the sale it's kind of like when you're at a department store buying a TV you're at a department store buying a TV you're at a department store buying a TV and the salesman who helped you gives and the salesman who helped you gives and the salesman who helped you gives you a referral card or a receipt with you a referral card or a receipt with you a referral card or a receipt with their name on it so when you eventually their name on it so when you eventually their name on it so when you eventually get to the checkout counter the clerk get to the checkout counter the clerk get to the checkout counter the clerk knows which salesman to award the sale knows which salesman to award the sale knows which salesman to award the sale to you can think of affiliate cookies as 
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to you can think of affiliate cookies as to you can think of affiliate cookies as a digital version of that so what a digital version of that so what a digital version of that so what happened when we got to the checkout happened when we got to the checkout happened when we got to the checkout page well once honey popped up what what page well once honey popped up what what page well once honey popped up what what happened to Linus's affiliate cookie happened to Linus's affiliate cookie happened to Linus's affiliate cookie after we clicked apply after we clicked apply after we clicked apply discounts you see that honey K Min discounts you see that honey K Min discounts you see that honey K Min removed Linus's affiliate cookie and removed Linus's affiliate cookie and removed Linus's affiliate cookie and replaced it with their own claiming replaced it with their own claiming replaced it with their own claiming credit for the sale and pocketing the credit for the sale and pocketing the credit for the sale and pocketing the commission money for themselves commission money for themselves commission money for themselves yeah now if we quickly go back again we yeah now if we quickly go back again we yeah now if we quickly go back again we can see what's causing this to happen can see what's causing this to happen can see what's causing this to happen after clicking apply discounts what 
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after clicking apply discounts what after clicking apply discounts what you'll notice is that in the top left you'll notice is that in the top left you'll notice is that in the top left corner of your browser honey discreetly corner of your browser honey discreetly corner of your browser honey discreetly opens a small new tab which acts like a opens a small new tab which acts like a opens a small new tab which acts like a simulated referral click as if they were simulated referral click as if they were simulated referral click as if they were the ones to refer you to the website the ones to refer you to the website the ones to refer you to the website even though you're already on the even though you're already on the even though you're already on the website and at the checkout page once website and at the checkout page once website and at the checkout page once that page has finished loading and has that page has finished loading and has that page has finished loading and has stuffed PayPal's affiliate cookie the stuffed PayPal's affiliate cookie the stuffed PayPal's affiliate cookie the tab automatically closes leaving you tab automatically closes leaving you tab automatically closes leaving you blissfully unaware that anything ever blissfully unaware that anything ever blissfully unaware that anything ever happened it's very sneaky now when I happened it's very sneaky now when I happened it's very sneaky now when I first discovered this was happening I first discovered this was happening I first discovered this was happening I thought there's no way why would all 
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thought there's no way why would all thought there's no way why would all these high profile influencers be these high profile influencers be these high profile influencers be promoting a company that is actively promoting a company that is actively promoting a company that is actively poaching their affiliate commissions it poaching their affiliate commissions it poaching their affiliate commissions it didn't make any sense so to make sure I didn't make any sense so to make sure I didn't make any sense so to make sure I wasn't going crazy I went on a honey wasn't going crazy I went on a honey wasn't going crazy I went on a honey testing spree clicking one affiliate testing spree clicking one affiliate testing spree clicking one affiliate link after another and it kept happening link after another and it kept happening link after another and it kept happening but even after all those tests I scoured but even after all those tests I scoured but even after all those tests I scoured the internet to see if anyone was the internet to see if anyone was the internet to see if anyone was talking about this and found nothing talking about this and found nothing talking about this and found nothing okay there was is one debate about it on okay there was is one debate about it on okay there was is one debate about it on the Y combinator Forum but nothing the Y combinator Forum but nothing the Y combinator Forum but nothing concrete besides that virtually nobody concrete besides that virtually nobody concrete besides that virtually nobody was talking about this adding fuel to my 
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was talking about this adding fuel to my was talking about this adding fuel to my doubt so I figured screw it I'll reach doubt so I figured screw it I'll reach doubt so I figured screw it I'll reach out to honey and ask them directly and out to honey and ask them directly and out to honey and ask them directly and sure enough they came back to me with sure enough they came back to me with sure enough they came back to me with the following if honey is activated and the following if honey is activated and the following if honey is activated and is the last program used while shopping is the last program used while shopping is the last program used while shopping on a site it is likely honey will on a site it is likely honey will on a site it is likely honey will receive credit for the purchase I was receive credit for the purchase I was receive credit for the purchase I was right and just like that my right and just like that my right and just like that my investigation into honey began now some investigation into honey began now some investigation into honey began now some might consider what PayPal's doing here might consider what PayPal's doing here might consider what PayPal's doing here dirty or highly une dirty or highly une dirty or highly une but personally I can't see how it's but personally I can't see how it's but personally I can't see how it's anything short of fraud I mean just anything short of fraud I mean just anything short of fraud I mean just imagine something like this happening in imagine something like this happening in imagine something like this happening in a real world scenario let's say you're 
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a real world scenario let's say you're a real world scenario let's say you're at a department store looking to buy a at a department store looking to buy a at a department store looking to buy a new TV a Salesman spends time running new TV a Salesman spends time running new TV a Salesman spends time running you through your options you decide to you through your options you decide to you through your options you decide to buy he gives you his referral card you buy he gives you his referral card you buy he gives you his referral card you get to the checkout and right as you're get to the checkout and right as you're get to the checkout and right as you're about to pay a sleazy salesman pops up about to pay a sleazy salesman pops up about to pay a sleazy salesman pops up going hey should I check if I have any going hey should I check if I have any going hey should I check if I have any coupon codes for you naturally you say coupon codes for you naturally you say coupon codes for you naturally you say sure he snatches your referral card sure he snatches your referral card sure he snatches your referral card without you ever noticing looks for without you ever noticing looks for without you ever noticing looks for coupons says sorry no luck this time but coupons says sorry no luck this time but coupons says sorry no luck this time but instead of handing back the original instead of handing back the original instead of handing back the original referral card he hands back his own referral card he hands back his own referral card he hands back his own PayPal didn't refer the customer to the 
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PayPal didn't refer the customer to the PayPal didn't refer the customer to the store they didn't promote any of the store they didn't promote any of the store they didn't promote any of the products the salesman did that PayPal products the salesman did that PayPal products the salesman did that PayPal provided absolutely zero value to the provided absolutely zero value to the provided absolutely zero value to the customer yet they were rewarded for the customer yet they were rewarded for the customer yet they were rewarded for the sale but because this is all happening sale but because this is all happening sale but because this is all happening online buried behind clicks and cookies online buried behind clicks and cookies online buried behind clicks and cookies and tracking data there's little to no and tracking data there's little to no and tracking data there's little to no transparency that this is ever happening transparency that this is ever happening transparency that this is ever happening okay but what if honey had found a okay but what if honey had found a okay but what if honey had found a working coupon code would that that make working coupon code would that that make working coupon code would that that make it okay for them to claim the commission it okay for them to claim the commission it okay for them to claim the commission honestly no I don't think so the fact honestly no I don't think so the fact honestly no I don't think so the fact remains that honey didn't refer the remains that honey didn't refer the remains that honey didn't refer the customer to the store nor did they customer to the store nor did they customer to the store nor did they promote the product look don't get me 
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promote the product look don't get me promote the product look don't get me wrong I'm a consumer myself saving money wrong I'm a consumer myself saving money wrong I'm a consumer myself saving money matters especially when money's tied but matters especially when money's tied but matters especially when money's tied but this scam doesn't just affect wealthy this scam doesn't just affect wealthy this scam doesn't just affect wealthy influencers there are hundreds of influencers there are hundreds of influencers there are hundreds of thousands of small creators bloggers thousands of small creators bloggers thousands of small creators bloggers artists who rely on affiliate artists who rely on affiliate artists who rely on affiliate commissions to support their craft sure commissions to support their craft sure commissions to support their craft sure you could argue that honey may have you could argue that honey may have you could argue that honey may have convinced the consumer to complete the convinced the consumer to complete the convinced the consumer to complete the purchase by providing a discount but purchase by providing a discount but purchase by providing a discount but let's be real if you're already at the let's be real if you're already at the let's be real if you're already at the check out with your items in your cart check out with your items in your cart check out with your items in your cart you already have a high intent to you already have a high intent to you already have a high intent to purchase and again this would never fly purchase and again this would never fly purchase and again this would never fly in a real life sales environment no in a real life sales environment no in a real life sales environment no department store is going to allow a 
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department store is going to allow a department store is going to allow a Salesman to hang out at the checkout Salesman to hang out at the checkout Salesman to hang out at the checkout counter casually handing out coupon counter casually handing out coupon counter casually handing out coupon codes while simultaneously stealing codes while simultaneously stealing codes while simultaneously stealing commissions from the other sales reps so commissions from the other sales reps so commissions from the other sales reps so why are we allowing a corporate giant why are we allowing a corporate giant why are we allowing a corporate giant like PayPal to do it on the internet now like PayPal to do it on the internet now like PayPal to do it on the internet now believe it or not this first example I believe it or not this first example I believe it or not this first example I just showed you with lonus is just one just showed you with lonus is just one just showed you with lonus is just one of three scenarios in which honey po is of three scenarios in which honey po is of three scenarios in which honey po is affiliate commissions and the next affiliate commissions and the next affiliate commissions and the next scenarios are even worse but before I scenarios are even worse but before I scenarios are even worse but before I show you how bad scenario 2 is it's show you how bad scenario 2 is it's show you how bad scenario 2 is it's important you understand the fundamental important you understand the fundamental important you understand the fundamental system honey is exploiting you see in system honey is exploiting you see in system honey is exploiting you see in affiliate marketing there's this thing 
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affiliate marketing there's this thing affiliate marketing there's this thing called last click attribution which called last click attribution which called last click attribution which basically means last click wins for basically means last click wins for basically means last click wins for example you might click on a shoe example you might click on a shoe example you might click on a shoe blogger's affiliate link for a pair of blogger's affiliate link for a pair of blogger's affiliate link for a pair of Nikes but you don't buy right away later Nikes but you don't buy right away later Nikes but you don't buy right away later you click on a YouTuber's link for the you click on a YouTuber's link for the you click on a YouTuber's link for the same shoes and complete the purchase in same shoes and complete the purchase in same shoes and complete the purchase in this scenario the YouTuber gets the this scenario the YouTuber gets the this scenario the YouTuber gets the commission and the Blogger gets nothing commission and the Blogger gets nothing commission and the Blogger gets nothing there are other models like first click there are other models like first click there are other models like first click where the Blogger would win the where the Blogger would win the where the Blogger would win the commission or dynamic click where the commission or dynamic click where the commission or dynamic click where the commission is shared but the industry commission is shared but the industry commission is shared but the industry went with last click because while it's went with last click because while it's went with last click because while it's not always the fairest it's the easiest 
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not always the fairest it's the easiest not always the fairest it's the easiest to implement therefore it became the to implement therefore it became the to implement therefore it became the industry standard now when it's blogger industry standard now when it's blogger industry standard now when it's blogger versus YouTuber for a sale honestly I'd versus YouTuber for a sale honestly I'd versus YouTuber for a sale honestly I'd say last click is usually fair but when say last click is usually fair but when say last click is usually fair but when it's anyone versus honey there's no real it's anyone versus honey there's no real it's anyone versus honey there's no real competition honey pops up right at the competition honey pops up right at the competition honey pops up right at the end of your purchasing Journey virtu end of your purchasing Journey virtu end of your purchasing Journey virtu guaranteeing they'll win that last click guaranteeing they'll win that last click guaranteeing they'll win that last click they of course know this and do anything they of course know this and do anything they of course know this and do anything they can to get that last click even they can to get that last click even they can to get that last click even when there's no coupon codes to offer when there's no coupon codes to offer when there's no coupon codes to offer which brings us to scenario 2 honey gold which brings us to scenario 2 honey gold which brings us to scenario 2 honey gold which is now called PayPal rewards 
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which is now called PayPal rewards which is now called PayPal rewards here's how it works when you get to the here's how it works when you get to the here's how it works when you get to the checkout and honey gold is available checkout and honey gold is available checkout and honey gold is available honey pops up and is essentially saying honey pops up and is essentially saying honey pops up and is essentially saying hey you consumer click this button here hey you consumer click this button here hey you consumer click this button here so payal can claim the commission for so payal can claim the commission for so payal can claim the commission for the sale and we'll share a portion of the sale and we'll share a portion of the sale and we'll share a portion of that commission money with you in the that commission money with you in the that commission money with you in the form of points form of points form of points it's basically a lame cashback game and it's basically a lame cashback game and it's basically a lame cashback game and it's genius because if there are no it's genius because if there are no it's genius because if there are no coupons to offer but the store is coupons to offer but the store is coupons to offer but the store is participating in honey gold it gives participating in honey gold it gives participating in honey gold it gives honey another reason to get that last honey another reason to get that last honey another reason to get that last click how can YouTubers bloggers or any click how can YouTubers bloggers or any click how can YouTubers bloggers or any other type of affiliate fairely compete 
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other type of affiliate fairely compete other type of affiliate fairely compete against this type of mechanism of course against this type of mechanism of course against this type of mechanism of course the consumer is going to click and of the consumer is going to click and of the consumer is going to click and of course they're going to win the sale now course they're going to win the sale now course they're going to win the sale now this got me thinking how much of their this got me thinking how much of their this got me thinking how much of their commission are they actually sharing commission are they actually sharing commission are they actually sharing with users well to find out I decided to with users well to find out I decided to with users well to find out I decided to put honey gold to the test so I look for put honey gold to the test so I look for put honey gold to the test so I look for any website where honey gold was offered any website where honey gold was offered any website where honey gold was offered and found it on nordvpn and know this is and found it on nordvpn and know this is and found it on nordvpn and know this is not a sneaky sponsorship so I signed up not a sneaky sponsorship so I signed up not a sneaky sponsorship so I signed up for nordvpn's affiliate program which for nordvpn's affiliate program which for nordvpn's affiliate program which offers 40% Commission on successful offers 40% Commission on successful offers 40% Commission on successful referrals after getting approved into referrals after getting approved into referrals after getting approved into the program I received a custom the program I received a custom the program I received a custom affiliate link for my YouTube channel 
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affiliate link for my YouTube channel affiliate link for my YouTube channel using this link I made two separate using this link I made two separate using this link I made two separate purchases for the first I activated purchases for the first I activated purchases for the first I activated honey gold and sure enough you can see honey gold and sure enough you can see honey gold and sure enough you can see my affiliate cookie was replaced with my affiliate cookie was replaced with my affiliate cookie was replaced with Honeys and for the second I didn't Honeys and for the second I didn't Honeys and for the second I didn't activate honey gold as expected I was activate honey gold as expected I was activate honey gold as expected I was awarded a $35 commission for the sale awarded a $35 commission for the sale awarded a $35 commission for the sale where honey gold wasn't activated and where honey gold wasn't activated and where honey gold wasn't activated and received nothing when honey gold was received nothing when honey gold was received nothing when honey gold was activated for the first time I activated for the first time I activated for the first time I experienced honey poaching my own experienced honey poaching my own experienced honey poaching my own affiliate commission so how much of my affiliate commission so how much of my affiliate commission so how much of my stolen $35 commission did PayPal sharers 
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stolen $35 commission did PayPal sharers stolen $35 commission did PayPal sharers cash back with my honey account aka the cash back with my honey account aka the cash back with my honey account aka the consumer brace yourselves 89 points consumer brace yourselves 89 points consumer brace yourselves 89 points which is equivalent to 89 cents USD which is equivalent to 89 cents USD which is equivalent to 89 cents USD that's right honey poached a $35 that's right honey poached a $35 that's right honey poached a $35 commission for doing nothing and commission for doing nothing and commission for doing nothing and rewarded me a grand total of rewarded me a grand total of rewarded me a grand total of $89 thanks PayPal you really shouldn't $89 thanks PayPal you really shouldn't $89 thanks PayPal you really shouldn't have no seriously you really shouldn't have no seriously you really shouldn't have no seriously you really shouldn't have now on to scenario 3 for you ladies have now on to scenario 3 for you ladies have now on to scenario 3 for you ladies out there let's say you're looking for a out there let's say you're looking for a out there let's say you're looking for a new outfit your favorite influencer 
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new outfit your favorite influencer new outfit your favorite influencer tries on something that slays you click tries on something that slays you click tries on something that slays you click on their affiliate link and get to the on their affiliate link and get to the on their affiliate link and get to the checkout but in this scenario honey checkout but in this scenario honey checkout but in this scenario honey knows it has nothing to offer no coupon knows it has nothing to offer no coupon knows it has nothing to offer no coupon codes no honey gold yet it still pops up codes no honey gold yet it still pops up codes no honey gold yet it still pops up to announce absolutely nothing annoying to announce absolutely nothing annoying to announce absolutely nothing annoying as naturally you click the got it as naturally you click the got it as naturally you click the got it button to get rid of the Annoying button to get rid of the Annoying button to get rid of the Annoying dancing coin and whoa what's that PayPal dancing coin and whoa what's that PayPal dancing coin and whoa what's that PayPal takes the sale why because you Mary takes the sale why because you Mary takes the sale why because you Mary that's that's that's your but wait there's more my personal 
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your but wait there's more my personal your but wait there's more my personal favorite is when honey has nothing to favorite is when honey has nothing to favorite is when honey has nothing to offer so pops up offering you to check offer so pops up offering you to check offer so pops up offering you to check out with PayPal even though the option out with PayPal even though the option out with PayPal even though the option is already available at the checkout is already available at the checkout is already available at the checkout page and of course if you click the page and of course if you click the page and of course if you click the checkout button checkout button checkout button PayPal poaches the PayPal poaches the PayPal poaches the sale classy as I was saying honey uses sale classy as I was saying honey uses sale classy as I was saying honey uses any excuse possible to get that last any excuse possible to get that last any excuse possible to get that last click from the user it's absolutely click from the user it's absolutely click from the user it's absolutely disgusting I can't even begin to Fathom disgusting I can't even begin to Fathom disgusting I can't even begin to Fathom how much money has been lost at the how much money has been lost at the how much money has been lost at the hands of this browser extension imagine hands of this browser extension imagine hands of this browser extension imagine being the influencers who promoted honey 
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being the influencers who promoted honey being the influencers who promoted honey telling your audience who by the way are telling your audience who by the way are telling your audience who by the way are the most likely to use your affiliate the most likely to use your affiliate the most likely to use your affiliate links to download an app that poaches links to download an app that poaches links to download an app that poaches your affiliate sales it's crazy now to your affiliate sales it's crazy now to your affiliate sales it's crazy now to to be clear not every influencer who to be clear not every influencer who to be clear not every influencer who promoted honey engages in affiliate promoted honey engages in affiliate promoted honey engages in affiliate marketing so those who don't are marketing so those who don't are marketing so those who don't are obviously unaffected but did any of the obviously unaffected but did any of the obviously unaffected but did any of the influencers who are engaging in influencers who are engaging in influencers who are engaging in affiliate marketing ever catch on to affiliate marketing ever catch on to affiliate marketing ever catch on to what Honey's been doing well it turns what Honey's been doing well it turns what Honey's been doing well it turns out yes at least one of them did lus out yes at least one of them did lus out yes at least one of them did lus Tech tips who have been promoting honey Tech tips who have been promoting honey Tech tips who have been promoting honey since since since 2017 so here's how I found this out you 
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2017 so here's how I found this out you 2017 so here's how I found this out you see one day I was browsing Linus's Forum see one day I was browsing Linus's Forum see one day I was browsing Linus's Forum to see if anyone had raised the red flag to see if anyone had raised the red flag to see if anyone had raised the red flag about honey and sure enough back in 2020 about honey and sure enough back in 2020 about honey and sure enough back in 2020 someone sounded the alarm but it was someone sounded the alarm but it was someone sounded the alarm but it was ultimately ignored however in 2022 a ultimately ignored however in 2022 a ultimately ignored however in 2022 a different user noticed that lmg were no different user noticed that lmg were no different user noticed that lmg were no longer promoting honey and asked the longer promoting honey and asked the longer promoting honey and asked the team if they had been dropped as a team if they had been dropped as a team if they had been dropped as a sponsor to which one of less' employees sponsor to which one of less' employees sponsor to which one of less' employees responded with we entered the responded with we entered the responded with we entered the partnership with honey due to the way partnership with honey due to the way partnership with honey due to the way their service interacted with affiliate their service interacted with affiliate their service interacted with affiliate links essentially if someone clicked on links essentially if someone clicked on links essentially if someone clicked on an affiliate link and then they used 
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an affiliate link and then they used an affiliate link and then they used honey and search for a deal honey will honey and search for a deal honey will honey and search for a deal honey will override that tracking link even if they override that tracking link even if they override that tracking link even if they don't find you a deal that didn't drive don't find you a deal that didn't drive don't find you a deal that didn't drive with us so we ended the partnership okay with us so we ended the partnership okay with us so we ended the partnership okay so they had no idea this was happening so they had no idea this was happening so they had no idea this was happening and it took them several years to catch and it took them several years to catch and it took them several years to catch on that's quite telling because we're on that's quite telling because we're on that's quite telling because we're talking about a tech saavy YouTube talking about a tech saavy YouTube talking about a tech saavy YouTube channel that's run by a very large team channel that's run by a very large team channel that's run by a very large team the fact it took them several years to the fact it took them several years to the fact it took them several years to figure this out in my opinion really figure this out in my opinion really figure this out in my opinion really underscores the deceptive nature with underscores the deceptive nature with underscores the deceptive nature with which honey operates if lus and his team which honey operates if lus and his team which honey operates if lus and his team didn't know I can't imagine many other didn't know I can't imagine many other didn't know I can't imagine many other influencers would have known either now 
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influencers would have known either now influencers would have known either now I have to say as a longtime viewer and I have to say as a longtime viewer and I have to say as a longtime viewer and supporter of Linus's Channel I'm supporter of Linus's Channel I'm supporter of Linus's Channel I'm incredibly disappointed they weren't incredibly disappointed they weren't incredibly disappointed they weren't more public with this discuss more public with this discuss more public with this discuss I get this specific issue doesn't I get this specific issue doesn't I get this specific issue doesn't directly affect their viewers but surely directly affect their viewers but surely directly affect their viewers but surely they must have realized the wider impact they must have realized the wider impact they must have realized the wider impact this could be having on the creative this could be having on the creative this could be having on the creative Community a community they're a part of Community a community they're a part of Community a community they're a part of I think that matters and it's not as I think that matters and it's not as I think that matters and it's not as though they only promoted honey once or though they only promoted honey once or though they only promoted honey once or twice they did approximately 160 twice they did approximately 160 twice they did approximately 160 sponsored segments all of which remain sponsored segments all of which remain sponsored segments all of which remain Live on YouTube those videos have Live on YouTube those videos have Live on YouTube those videos have accumulated around 194 million views 
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accumulated around 194 million views accumulated around 194 million views according to my data that makes Linus's according to my data that makes Linus's according to my data that makes Linus's company lmg the third largest promoter company lmg the third largest promoter company lmg the third largest promoter of honey on YouTube so yeah in my of honey on YouTube so yeah in my of honey on YouTube so yeah in my opinion they should have made more noise opinion they should have made more noise opinion they should have made more noise about this but what's truly baffling to about this but what's truly baffling to about this but what's truly baffling to me is that after lmg ended their me is that after lmg ended their me is that after lmg ended their partnership with honey they then went partnership with honey they then went partnership with honey they then went ahead and partnered with a company ahead and partnered with a company ahead and partnered with a company called karma now a coupon browser called karma now a coupon browser called karma now a coupon browser extension that literally engages in extension that literally engages in extension that literally engages in similar Behavior now I did reach out to similar Behavior now I did reach out to similar Behavior now I did reach out to almg about the situation and I'll be almg about the situation and I'll be almg about the situation and I'll be honest their response was not to my honest their response was not to my honest their response was not to my satisfaction they didn't address the 
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satisfaction they didn't address the satisfaction they didn't address the majority of my questions however they majority of my questions however they majority of my questions however they did at least provide some important cont did at least provide some important cont did at least provide some important cont text about their dealings with honey lmg text about their dealings with honey lmg text about their dealings with honey lmg stated that as soon as these issues with stated that as soon as these issues with stated that as soon as these issues with honey were brought to us we tried to honey were brought to us we tried to honey were brought to us we tried to work with them to remedy them after a work with them to remedy them after a work with them to remedy them after a few cause we were informed that they few cause we were informed that they few cause we were informed that they weren't willing to change so we stopped weren't willing to change so we stopped weren't willing to change so we stopped working with them across all channels so working with them across all channels so working with them across all channels so let me get this straight one of Honey's let me get this straight one of Honey's let me get this straight one of Honey's biggest promoters goes to them and says biggest promoters goes to them and says biggest promoters goes to them and says hey can you please stop overriding our hey can you please stop overriding our hey can you please stop overriding our affiliate links and honey effectively affiliate links and honey effectively affiliate links and honey effectively goes n not happening assuming I've got goes n not happening assuming I've got goes n not happening assuming I've got that correct and if true that just goes 
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that correct and if true that just goes that correct and if true that just goes to show what little regard honey has not to show what little regard honey has not to show what little regard honey has not only for Content creators but also their only for Content creators but also their only for Content creators but also their Partners now as for lmg's less than Partners now as for lmg's less than Partners now as for lmg's less than ideal response I did press Linus's team ideal response I did press Linus's team ideal response I did press Linus's team to address the rest of my questions but to address the rest of my questions but to address the rest of my questions but never heard back from them but it's time never heard back from them but it's time never heard back from them but it's time to shift gears because unfortunately to shift gears because unfortunately to shift gears because unfortunately this scam runs much deeper than stolen this scam runs much deeper than stolen this scam runs much deeper than stolen affiliate commissions it's time we talk affiliate commissions it's time we talk affiliate commissions it's time we talk about how honey used these influences to about how honey used these influences to about how honey used these influences to sell you a complete lie how they sold sell you a complete lie how they sold sell you a complete lie how they sold you a product that was doing the you a product that was doing the you a product that was doing the opposite of what they promised you see opposite of what they promised you see opposite of what they promised you see as I was testing honey across different as I was testing honey across different as I was testing honey across different stores I was encountering a reoccurring 
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stores I was encountering a reoccurring stores I was encountering a reoccurring issue when I reached the checkout page issue when I reached the checkout page issue when I reached the checkout page honey would claim it couldn't find me honey would claim it couldn't find me honey would claim it couldn't find me any coupon codes yet when I searched any coupon codes yet when I searched any coupon codes yet when I searched manually I found working codes with manually I found working codes with manually I found working codes with these and even when honey did find me a these and even when honey did find me a these and even when honey did find me a code I was often able to find another code I was often able to find another code I was often able to find another code of bit value kind of strange given code of bit value kind of strange given code of bit value kind of strange given their claim that well thanks to Honey their claim that well thanks to Honey their claim that well thanks to Honey manually searching for coupon codes is manually searching for coupon codes is manually searching for coupon codes is now a thing of the past another Oddity now a thing of the past another Oddity now a thing of the past another Oddity was that honey would often only find me was that honey would often only find me was that honey would often only find me honey branded coupon codes such as honey honey branded coupon codes such as honey honey branded coupon codes such as honey 5 or honey 10 why would a store only 5 or honey 10 why would a store only 5 or honey 10 why would a store only have honey branded coupon codes kind of 
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have honey branded coupon codes kind of have honey branded coupon codes kind of weird right but the biggest red flag was weird right but the biggest red flag was weird right but the biggest red flag was that when I tried submitting the better that when I tried submitting the better that when I tried submitting the better coupon codes I'd found honey wasn't coupon codes I'd found honey wasn't coupon codes I'd found honey wasn't adding them to their database so why not adding them to their database so why not adding them to their database so why not well eventually I figured out what was well eventually I figured out what was well eventually I figured out what was going on it turns out that one of the going on it turns out that one of the going on it turns out that one of the key benefits for stores partnering with key benefits for stores partnering with key benefits for stores partnering with honey is that they are given full honey is that they are given full honey is that they are given full control over which coupon codes go live control over which coupon codes go live control over which coupon codes go live on the platform if any at all I on the platform if any at all I on the platform if any at all I discovered this while listening to a discovered this while listening to a discovered this while listening to a podcast produced by Honey which appears podcast produced by Honey which appears podcast produced by Honey which appears to be aimed at attracting new businesses to be aimed at attracting new businesses to be aimed at attracting new businesses to joining their platform in this 
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to joining their platform in this to joining their platform in this podcast an employee from the Australian podcast an employee from the Australian podcast an employee from the Australian clothing store Princess Polly discusses clothing store Princess Polly discusses clothing store Princess Polly discusses the benefits of partnering with honey the benefits of partnering with honey the benefits of partnering with honey what would you say to any brand that is what would you say to any brand that is what would you say to any brand that is considered working with honey but hasn't considered working with honey but hasn't considered working with honey but hasn't yet I would say missing out on yet I would say missing out on yet I would say missing out on converting customers like I said before converting customers like I said before converting customers like I said before jet is super discount sey you can't jet is super discount sey you can't jet is super discount sey you can't ignore the fact that they will hunt for ignore the fact that they will hunt for ignore the fact that they will hunt for like discount codes and they might find like discount codes and they might find like discount codes and they might find a better deal with honey you can also a better deal with honey you can also a better deal with honey you can also control the discount code percentage control the discount code percentage control the discount code percentage which means like they will potentially which means like they will potentially which means like they will potentially find a higher discount code on the find a higher discount code on the find a higher discount code on the internet it literally lets you control internet it literally lets you control internet it literally lets you control like the customer Journey convert and 
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like the customer Journey convert and like the customer Journey convert and control like the discount code control like the discount code control like the discount code percentage as well this is insane she's percentage as well this is insane she's percentage as well this is insane she's basically saying honey is great for basically saying honey is great for basically saying honey is great for businesses because it encourages users businesses because it encourages users businesses because it encourages users not to bother hunting for coupon codes not to bother hunting for coupon codes not to bother hunting for coupon codes and it allows businesses to control and it allows businesses to control and it allows businesses to control which coupon codes are shared with which coupon codes are shared with which coupon codes are shared with consumers now I was able to further consumers now I was able to further consumers now I was able to further verify this on Honey's website verify this on Honey's website verify this on Honey's website specifically the FAQ page for partners specifically the FAQ page for partners specifically the FAQ page for partners which clearly states as a partner you which clearly states as a partner you which clearly states as a partner you have control over the content hosted on have control over the content hosted on have control over the content hosted on the honey platform so yes even if honey the honey platform so yes even if honey the honey platform so yes even if honey knows of a coupon code that offers say 
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knows of a coupon code that offers say knows of a coupon code that offers say 20% off but a partnering store tells him 20% off but a partnering store tells him 20% off but a partnering store tells him hey only share 5% off coupon then that's hey only share 5% off coupon then that's hey only share 5% off coupon then that's the only discount honey will apply to the only discount honey will apply to the only discount honey will apply to your cart at the checkout page I mean your cart at the checkout page I mean your cart at the checkout page I mean holy honey wasn't finding you the holy honey wasn't finding you the holy honey wasn't finding you the best deals possible they were best deals possible they were best deals possible they were intentionally withholding them from you intentionally withholding them from you intentionally withholding them from you for their own financial gain this for their own financial gain this for their own financial gain this completely invalidates Honey's core completely invalidates Honey's core completely invalidates Honey's core value proposition to Consumers for years value proposition to Consumers for years value proposition to Consumers for years they sold you the lie that they would they sold you the lie that they would they sold you the lie that they would find you every working coupon code on find you every working coupon code on find you every working coupon code on the internet and apply the best one to the internet and apply the best one to the internet and apply the best one to your car but nope complete and utter lie 
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your car but nope complete and utter lie your car but nope complete and utter lie they have literally been feeding you they have literally been feeding you they have literally been feeding you coupon codes that were approved by the coupon codes that were approved by the coupon codes that were approved by the partner stores who were paying them and partner stores who were paying them and partner stores who were paying them and can I just say the double messaging here can I just say the double messaging here can I just say the double messaging here is hilarious because on one hand honey is hilarious because on one hand honey is hilarious because on one hand honey has appealed to Consumers by promising has appealed to Consumers by promising has appealed to Consumers by promising to find the best deals possible but on to find the best deals possible but on to find the best deals possible but on the other hand they appeal to businesses the other hand they appeal to businesses the other hand they appeal to businesses claiming that honey helps prevent claiming that honey helps prevent claiming that honey helps prevent consumers from finding the best deals consumers from finding the best deals consumers from finding the best deals it's absurd now when you think about it it's absurd now when you think about it it's absurd now when you think about it this all makes complete sense I mean why this all makes complete sense I mean why this all makes complete sense I mean why would any online business pay honey for 
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would any online business pay honey for would any online business pay honey for sharing their highest value coupon codes sharing their highest value coupon codes sharing their highest value coupon codes with its 20 million users that's not an with its 20 million users that's not an with its 20 million users that's not an appealing partnership whatsoever so to appealing partnership whatsoever so to appealing partnership whatsoever so to make a partnership more attractive honey make a partnership more attractive honey make a partnership more attractive honey told businesses hey if you partner with told businesses hey if you partner with told businesses hey if you partner with us and pay us an affiliate commission us and pay us an affiliate commission us and pay us an affiliate commission we'll let you control which discount we'll let you control which discount we'll let you control which discount codes are shared on our platform and codes are shared on our platform and codes are shared on our platform and we'll tell our cons we'll tell our cons we'll tell our cons we scoured the internet and found them we scoured the internet and found them we scoured the internet and found them the best deal possible everybody wins the best deal possible everybody wins the best deal possible everybody wins just uh not the consumers or the just uh not the consumers or the just uh not the consumers or the influencers with this discovery I 
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influencers with this discovery I influencers with this discovery I decided to do a thorough audit of decided to do a thorough audit of decided to do a thorough audit of Honey's advertising campaigns and yikes Honey's advertising campaigns and yikes Honey's advertising campaigns and yikes the ads the sponsorships everywhere you the ads the sponsorships everywhere you the ads the sponsorships everywhere you look it's lie after lie I wouldn't be look it's lie after lie I wouldn't be look it's lie after lie I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up going down as surprised if this ends up going down as surprised if this ends up going down as one of the most aggressive Shameless one of the most aggressive Shameless one of the most aggressive Shameless marketing scams of the century just look marketing scams of the century just look marketing scams of the century just look at this insane list of videos that were at this insane list of videos that were at this insane list of videos that were sponsored by honey according to my data sponsored by honey according to my data sponsored by honey according to my data they sponsored almost 5,000 videos they sponsored almost 5,000 videos they sponsored almost 5,000 videos across roughly 1,000 different YouTube across roughly 1,000 different YouTube across roughly 1,000 different YouTube channels racking up an unbelievable 7.8 channels racking up an unbelievable 7.8 channels racking up an unbelievable 7.8 billion views it's crazy so now that we 
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billion views it's crazy so now that we billion views it's crazy so now that we have a clearer picture of how honey have a clearer picture of how honey have a clearer picture of how honey operates let's reflect on some of their operates let's reflect on some of their operates let's reflect on some of their claims honey will find every working claims honey will find every working claims honey will find every working code on the internet and apply the best code on the internet and apply the best code on the internet and apply the best one to your cart if honey can't find a one to your cart if honey can't find a one to your cart if honey can't find a discount code for you then you can rest discount code for you then you can rest discount code for you then you can rest assured there's not a single discount or assured there's not a single discount or assured there's not a single discount or promo code on the Internet it's a free promo code on the Internet it's a free promo code on the Internet it's a free browser extension that automatically browser extension that automatically browser extension that automatically find find you the best promo code for find find you the best promo code for find find you the best promo code for anything you purchase online you anything you purchase online you anything you purchase online you literally don't spend money honey literally don't spend money honey literally don't spend money honey searches the known internet for every searches the known internet for every searches the known internet for every promo code ever used this means you promo code ever used this means you promo code ever used this means you always get the best deals without even always get the best deals without even always get the best deals without even trying what honey does is take money and trying what honey does is take money and trying what honey does is take money and they put it in your pocket if there is 
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they put it in your pocket if there is they put it in your pocket if there is any way to save money on your purchase any way to save money on your purchase any way to save money on your purchase they'll find it getting you the lowest they'll find it getting you the lowest they'll find it getting you the lowest prices possible at checkout you are prices possible at checkout you are prices possible at checkout you are always going to get the best deal no always going to get the best deal no always going to get the best deal no matter where you're shopping Amazon eBay matter where you're shopping Amazon eBay matter where you're shopping Amazon eBay Best Buy doesn't matter Honey's got your Best Buy doesn't matter Honey's got your Best Buy doesn't matter Honey's got your butt covered if honey can't find a code butt covered if honey can't find a code butt covered if honey can't find a code you have the best deal it really puts you have the best deal it really puts you have the best deal it really puts into perspective into perspective into perspective just how Shady this company is doesn't just how Shady this company is doesn't just how Shady this company is doesn't it now believe it or not the bitter it now believe it or not the bitter it now believe it or not the bitter Business Bureau launched an inquiry into Business Bureau launched an inquiry into Business Bureau launched an inquiry into Honey's advertising claims but after Honey's advertising claims but after Honey's advertising claims but after honey immediately discontinued the honey immediately discontinued the honey immediately discontinued the claims for quote business reasons the claims for quote business reasons the claims for quote business reasons the BBB decided to drop the 
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BBB decided to drop the BBB decided to drop the case honestly at this point in my case honestly at this point in my case honestly at this point in my investigation I thought I'd seen the investigation I thought I'd seen the investigation I thought I'd seen the worst of it I thought I understood the worst of it I thought I understood the worst of it I thought I understood the full picture of Honey Shady business full picture of Honey Shady business full picture of Honey Shady business model but here's the thing what I model but here's the thing what I model but here's the thing what I haven't told you is that there were haven't told you is that there were haven't told you is that there were instances where honey would actually instances where honey would actually instances where honey would actually work really well Finding Me In work really well Finding Me In work really well Finding Me In incredible discounts that seemed almost incredible discounts that seemed almost incredible discounts that seemed almost too good to be true now it wasn't very too good to be true now it wasn't very too good to be true now it wasn't very often but enough to confuse me and there often but enough to confuse me and there often but enough to confuse me and there were even times when they weren't were even times when they weren't were even times when they weren't poaching affiliate commissions by poaching affiliate commissions by poaching affiliate commissions by claiming the credit for sales these claiming the credit for sales these claiming the credit for sales these inconsistencies Bugg me it didn't add up 
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inconsistencies Bugg me it didn't add up inconsistencies Bugg me it didn't add up with everything else I had discovered it with everything else I had discovered it with everything else I had discovered it was clear I was missing something well was clear I was missing something well was clear I was missing something well once I finally figured out what that was once I finally figured out what that was once I finally figured out what that was I uncovered an even darker side to I uncovered an even darker side to I uncovered an even darker side to PayPal scam one that targeted an PayPal scam one that targeted an PayPal scam one that targeted an entirely new victim we started having problems where we started having problems where we started having problems where customers would get in touch by our customers would get in touch by our customers would get in touch by our support saying oh hey I just tried to support saying oh hey I just tried to support saying oh hey I just tried to use this discount this 60% off coupon use this discount this 60% off coupon use this discount this 60% off coupon and it doesn't work I'd be like dude and it doesn't work I'd be like dude and it doesn't work I'd be like dude that is that is not your discount like 
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that is that is not your discount like that is that is not your discount like how did you get that and they'd be like how did you get that and they'd be like how did you get that and they'd be like oh I I just showed up through the honey oh I I just showed up through the honey oh I I just showed up through the honey extension yeah it cost us thousands and extension yeah it cost us thousands and extension yeah it cost us thousands and I haven't even looked into how far back I haven't even looked into how far back I haven't even looked into how far back it went the end of the day like we need it went the end of the day like we need it went the end of the day like we need to make the numbers work and if honey is to make the numbers work and if honey is to make the numbers work and if honey is going to steal temp % of your Revenue going to steal temp % of your Revenue going to steal temp % of your Revenue all the time you're going to have to all the time you're going to have to all the time you're going to have to raise prices at the end of the day and raise prices at the end of the day and raise prices at the end of the day and it's it's just like a really awful it's it's just like a really awful it's it's just like a really awful business model if we've been so mad at business model if we've been so mad at business model if we've been so mad at them for so long